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COMMENT: This step is the real point of departure between most Comp and Egal.  It is the step where most of the debate is taking place as well, though there is much in the next Question as well.  The difference (discussed in question 2 earlier) between men and women in creation, for the Comp and for the Hugen, most naturally plays itself out in the hierarchy of the home, whereas many Egal who would answer question 2 affirmatively would then balk at those differences of creation necessitating differentiation of roles, in the home or elsewhere.  Questions you must wrestle with to actually say that you’ve done the work to make your own decision are below.  Again, I know that folks will answer these all differently, and while I think that I am correct in how I answer then, I think you’ll find that in answering these smaller questions will help show you what general camp you fit into.  Various ones of them are asked by one camp to the other, so depending on which you read, you might think that a particular question is biased, but as I’m sure you’ll find in this world if you haven’t already, all questions are biased in the sense that they are trying to get to the truth and believe that it can only be found on the other side of their interrogative statement however snide or gracious said question is.  Lastly, the final question is from a Comp or Hugen viewpoint and is getting to how their view works itself out in the home.  Without further ado, here are the questions:

  1. Are the roles we see a result of the Fall or were those roles in effect pre-Fall and then merely warped by the Fall? Or said another way, was the Fall a distortion of pre-Fall roles or were the roles described at the Fall actually curses?  And again, if we were to do marriage like Eden, would we return to loving hierarchy or loving equality of roles.  One final: Are the roles in Eph 5 and elsewhere a return to Eden or a making the best of the curse.  If role equality was the state in Eden, why might Paul have chosen to not recommend that practice in Eph 5?
  2. Connected to the previous question, what does Genesis 3:16 mean? Can “desire” be taken in a positive sense as a part of the curse? Is the parallel (6 exact Hebrew words) between Gen 3:16 and Gen 4:7 informative, conclusive, or coincidence?
  3. Do the further curses of the ground and childbearing lend weight to one position or the other?
  4. Is Adam’s naming of Eve indicative of anything?
  5. Is the fact that Scripture holds Adam accountable for the Fall informative? See Gen 3, 1 Cor 15:22, 45-49.
  6. Does the command in Eph 5:21 for mutual submission trump the apparent roles defined in the rest of the Chapter?
  7. Does Galatians 3:28 end some, any, or all roles?  Does the context of the passage lend itself to that?  Is Paul arguing that Christ renders roles obsolete?
  8. Are the roles we see in Scripture merely a cultural phenomenon?  If so, why doesn’t Paul actually mention those things?  If the Artemis cult was causing problems, why not say something?  It’s been argued that the situation was just that wives were younger than husbands and needed training up, in a sense, but was there not one or two who had some education, which Paul would allow to teach or hold a place of authority if it was just an education issue?  Or maybe Paul acquiesced to the culture in this area, if so, why appeal to Adam and Eve instead of what there was in the culture that gave men the authority?
  9. Are the relationships within the Trinity a model for the family/church?
  10. Is the Fatherhood of God informative?
  11. Does kefelh mean authority or source in 1 Cor 11?  If source, is authority still implied?
  12. What does it look like for a woman to submit to her husband? Imagine a spectrum where at one end the wife behaves like a doormat and on the other end, she is a dominatrix.  Where, in between these two poles, should the pendulum rest?  How practically does that play out?

There may be more questions than this.  If you know of more, let me know and share them in the comments sections.

Monsieur S